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No one told John Kasich a right-wing militia had taken over a government building until today.

Kasich, a two-term governor of a swing state with a long and respectable resume in public office, has become the Kramer of the 2016 Republican primary. He’s kind of a supporting character, one who talks with his hands a lot, and it’s not always clear he experiences reality the way the rest of us do. Last week, Kasich was talking about mysterious parties in which there’s a bowl of pills, guests eat a random one, and “Next thing you know, you’re dead.” 

On Monday, Kasich was asked what he thought about the biggest news of the last few days: the Bundy militia seizing an Oregon building with the motivation, according to a sheriff’s press release, “to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.” Kasich had no idea what the reporter was talking about. 

Here’s the transcript, from an NBC News reporter:

At the very least, we now know that the candidate does not waste a lot of time on Twitter. Or watching the news. Or reading news websites. John Kasich: cord cutter.